For all of you who are wondering this is not really a post.
By way of a comment Mistress Linda proposed the idea that men should not be allowed to vote.
Her comment is toward the bottom of the last posting, Back to Basics, Conclusion.
It might be fun I thought to take a survey. How many of you agree with Mistress Linda?
Love, Kathy
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What a provocative post title!
I think Linda's premise is contradicted by a simple fact -- a hell of a lot of women voted for Trump. That's enough to prove, to my way of thinking, that women have no claim to special wisdom where moral politics is concerned and certainly no great loyalty to each other.
Welcome back, Kathy!
I'm going to be a downer on a fun conversation about female dominance and vote the obvious yes. :p
There, now everybody else have fun with it!
Mistress Kathy,
i check Your blog nearly every day hoping for a new post from You. i am a big fan of Yours and have lots of respect for what You have done for Your husband.
i agree with Mistress Linda. Life would be more fun without that entitlement, wouldn't it.
mike
Hi Kathy. Interesting question. I do vote with every election. However for the past couple years, after respectful conversation over the candidates and issues, my wife tells me who and what I am to vote for. I obey my wife
vic
I don't agree. Men should vote, to whom his Mistress orders: :)
Ms. Kathy,
I agree with Mistress Linda.
Proudly, I have never ever voted in any election. Voting is for the Superior Sex!
Alex
Ha Ha ! Here is evidence that a world run by women would be as bad or worse than a world run by men. Given power, the first thing they want to do is take away the civil rights of others. How about "world peace"?
jj
Ms. Kathy
This is my first opinion on this blog, it's hard to come out but I think this subject became very close to my heart. Yesterday I tied my boy up in bed, who is my submissive 8 months now but I never agreed to make him my slave until I agreed I will enslave him in a ceremony soon after he agreed to all I told him after having previously disagreed, he cried and I kissed him and whipped him "to drive out his previous disagreement" (I admit that was play).
What I told him, about the question you posed is this:
FOR FREE BUT SUBMISSIVE BOYS
I think Femdom is about more than just a power exchange. I think it's also about questioning past gender rolls and adopting ones that suit Dominant Women and submissive men more. So let me tell you what the New-Age male looks like for me.
We Dominant Women are attracted to the boys who will not call us "girls", who embrace the Feminine and who feel as boys towards all Women no matter their age. They embrace values such as being Feminine, pretty, homemakers, dependable, pleasing Women, being cute, loving, and they change diapers, cook, are not afraid to be secretaries and wear skirts at least in private. Voting is not an INDIVIDUAL right. Ms. Kathy is right in that she wants opportunities for her son as She does her daughter. I want for free boys those opportunities too. But voting is not an individual right. It's the right of collectives only, and in no country are foreigners who have full individual rights allowed to vote. Because voting means indirectly governing, and that's the right of the People.
The type of boy We Femdom loving Women are attracted to don't WANT to be governed by other men. They also want to know they are not governing Women. It's their individual right to know they are not collectively governed by males, as that's exactly opposite to their nature just as much as being the governed sex, by the Female, the governing sex, is also their nature. Whereas other less Femdom inclined males might disagree, I am here to also protect the right of the boys that I find the top of the cream, the passive boys who are expected to be smart, to offer their opinions, to voice their concerns, but balance that with accepting Female decisions, differing to Females and surrendering to the Feminine and to the Female. All Femdom loving Women will agree with me that's what they find the most attractive. So no, free boys should not vote, even if they had the right to.
In reality this should be extended to ALL boys, even not Femdom ones. I understand they currently have the RIGHT to vote, but SHOULD they? Really, don't you think politics would be better run if politicians where answerable to a Female public? I think even the very smart boys who love politics would agree with that point and if they are honest give up voting!
(PART 1)
Allison
FOR MALES WHO ARE SLAVES
In no democracy from Ancient Greece to 1800s America were slaves ever allowed to vote. Maybe I would agree for a slaveowner to have an extra vote for owning Her slave, but for the slave to vote? What kind of a slave is that? Whereas slavery in the olden days was horrible, Femdom slavery is legitimate, great, and should also include not voting! I also find it SO utterly unslavelike for a slave to disagree with this point! If he's a true slave, why does he want to govern? That's so cowardice for a man who has chosen and claims to love being a slave! It's a sign of rebellion and whereas a free boy who would never vote out of his Matriarchal values that's a very attractive trait, in a slave voting would be a very UNATTRACTIVE trait! It's rebellion, it's cowardice! Of course, the final decision as long as society permits him voting belongs to his Mistress, but I am talking as far as he is given a choice or as far as his opinion is concerned.
Being a slave means to be owned, to be ruled, and in Femdom it means to love it too!
Voting is the mark of a slave who isn't for real and deliberately not voting is one of the many marks of a well owned man.
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I haven't told you this little Stevie, but once I own you and since we're mostly out of the closet, I've decided I will volunteer you to promote the idea of cancelling male suffrage. It will be great for O/our forming as a Femdom couple, goes entirely with O/our values and will be fabulous to give me pride but humiliate your male ego in public. Surprise!
Allison
I gotta come out of the closet about not wanting to vote now that I think about it. I think this debate never got a fair chance, nobody really talks about this. I don't know WHY, I just know it's the right thing now that you made me think about it, for some males or all to not vote.
Arnold
Ms. Kathy,
What do your John and Ms. Becky's David think about this if given full liberty to express any opinion without any repercussions?
Obviously I'm super interested to in what Ms. Becky thinks. I hope She decides to comment on this super important point! OMG, I hope She agrees with the "no" side!!!! :-) :-) :-)
If as a male you can conceive supporting and enjoying a Woman's orgasm as your orgasm then one can conceive of supporting a Woman's vote a your vote.
Males should vote for Matriarchal candidates until such time as there is established a Matriarchal society. Once established the male should be disenfranchised.
Femsup
It is a vile and dehumanizing suggestion to strip men or women if their voting rights. Only a hateful and cruel mind would conceive of it.
I'm not a fan of 'political' femdom.
The man's gift is when he voluntarily submits to her authority. Her gift is when she chooses to exercise it.
In reply to Alison: the teacher of an evening class I attend, a woman who is not in a femdom relationship as far as I am aware and who does not seem to be particularly dominant, recently remarked that males of all ages were really just boys inside. I would think most people here would agree with her. However, I do not it would be a good idea to stop us voting. In the past, when adults have been deprived of the vote on ground of race, religion or gender it has led to massive problems.
The way things are going, I think a society might arise which will be like that of the 1950s and 60s, but with gender roles reversed. Legally the sexes will have equal rights, but most political and business leaders will be women. We boys will not be oppressed, but we will be expected to behave decently. If we don't, we will get our bottoms spanked!
- Stewart
Mistress Kathy,
I vote for women!
Ur little bobo
I think everyone should exercise their right to vote. Given that, I usually vote for women candidates. I think they are better decision makers and are better at reaching a consensus together and generally don't let egos get in the way.
Heretofore, my Mistress and I would trade thoughts about issues and candidates, then she would tell me what she had decided. I do not choose what is for dinner, not destinations while driving nor do I have a say in what she and I wear. As a submissive, hers is the only opinion that matters.
richard s.
We should be allowed to vote, with our wife standing with us making sure we vote for the selections she made!
Ms Allison,
I love Your philosophy!!!! You have an opinion for subs and one for slaves, which makes a lot of sense because they are different. One must point out that though in national elections passing laws to reflect these differences might be just fantasy, not so in personal smaller organizations like say, a Female led community of any sort.
I find Your idea of a slaveowner having an extra vote for the slave She owns. That way the slave is taken into account, but as property of Mistress. Great balance. It's as it should be!
Alex
I don't think boys should always not vote, but I did speak for submissives and slaves, distinguishing the two and also them from males in general. I wasn't speaking of the law but of how I think people into Femdom should live, according to Matriarchal values.
Allison
Kathy:
I would not be in favor of disenfranchising men from voting. However, it would be fitting if for a while (say 4 years) only Women appeared on the ballot!
Steve
Hello to all and especially Linda( forgive me but I am not certain how you prefer to be addressed). It would seem that there is a lot of dissenting opinions as to whether men should vote even in the Femdom community. Before I give my opinion I would like to point out that few Women even in the FLR community ever rise to the level of Dominance ,confidence and power that is obvious in Linda's comments . I can assure you that if the lifestyle continues to grow and the future generations of women learn to boldly assert their obvious and inherit power men will either be voting as they are told or not at all.
I think the key to the whole discussion is in one of Lind's comments and is very evident is our current political environment. The electorate is changing ! Women are now voting in far greater numbers and therefore their voice and will is becoming part of our culture. As women as a whole begin to truly grasp and understand that it is the make up of her dominate attitude rather than the make up on her face that attracts a man the world will change quickly.
Regards, John Dalton
Why is everyone pretending men are equal? They might be very smart, very educated and very amazing but they are different. One such difference is they are inferior in many senses, like the fact they don't give life through pregnancy and therefore, love it or hate it are biologically dispensible or the fact they love war and use of force or just the fct that hey, they love Women to dominate them. They have rights and one of them should be to be ONLY dominated by Women and not by another few hundred milliion men voters.
Please don't use the word "disenfranchised". While technically true, it misses the point! Everyone has gifts (like being cute and baking cookies, in Linda's words) and their opinions may very well still matter to their Mistress and to many Women. They are not missing out on much by not voting since in most matters polls show Women would elect the same candidate. But they get the honor of knowing only Women elected these candidates and no man governs them. Stop hating inequality, it's just natural and it's fun!
Also, in the few things where polls show there are differences politics would be more Female centered which means less wars, more family values and, well, go check up on those cookies before they burn, cuties!
Amanda
John Dalton,
If you are not owned you are welcome to call me Mistress. Otherwise your Mistress might not like that. Call me Ms. or Madam. As long as you do it with grace and deference it is fine.
Baby, you wrote a gorgeous comment. Are you equally gorgeous? Do you cook?
Miss Linda May
Hi subguyinAtl,
You said "We should be allowed to vote, with our wife standing with us making sure we vote for the selections she made!"
That is not allowed as far as I am aware, but I vote the way she wants anyway. I think this is the right way for any boy who is married or in a relationship.
Stewart.
Hi Kathy -- I had not thought about this issue before. My husband and I had a long conversation on the topic (with him kneeling before me) and we (I) decided that he will be permitted to vote. However, he will go into the voting booth with my list of candidates and issues that he will vote for. When deciding on my 2 votes we will discuss the issues in advance and I will decide. All things being equal, if a woman is running for an office she will receive my 2 votes.
Thank you for raising this important issue.
Sincerely,
Diane
I'm thinking back a few years when I commented about how my Mistress fills out my absentee ballot, I sign it, and then we mail them in. All the comments at the time were negative, from both males and females. So, that there is even a discussion about it shows the idea is getting more of a foothold.
Prohibiting or restricting males from voting on a national, or even regional, level is one left to the realm of fantasy. However, on a micro-level (i.e. the individual household), the question is easy to resolve. If the woman of the house wishes for her boy(s) to refrain from voting, vote as directed, or freely vote as they wish, then that is the way it should be. Because she wishes it that way is sufficient enough reason.
As mentioned, my Mistress does the voting for both of us. If she granted me the option to vote as I wished, it would likely be the same vote as her down the line. Allowing her to do the voting for me has a very symbolic value to it, more so than if she merely told me who to vote for when I go into a voting booth.
-David
I don't think both sides of this debate are given a fair chance.
Hi my wife says she won’t have her vote canceled out by mine so she insists that we discuss it then she makes up our mind ! It’s not that big a deal since we have the same values but still I would never cancel my wife’s vote. We have a woman prime minister and it seems very natural and right. We voted for her!! D&S NZ
Here’s my two cents on this matter. I see three points embedded in the arguments made by Ms. Linda and Allison, each of which I endorse. They amount to arguing for a matriarchy in the culture and society as a whole, not just in the family.
First, a matriarchy is good for Women. Our present patriarchy privileges men. Even with equality under the law, the results in our existing culture, afford more opportunities and better results for men because it is permeated by unstated rules, norms, habits, and values that privilege men. Matriarchy would do the same for Women. It would mean that every single Female from birth would live in a world where Her voice, Her values, Her life chances would be privileged. The world She lives in would be a Woman’s world. Equality couldn’t do this. In such a world Women would finally come into their Own, that is, realize their diverse full potentials.
The second point is that matriarchy is good for males. Why? Most males never come close to maturing. That is why their judgment in most matters is so poor, why they either engage in violence against Women or accept it, and why they are driven so often by uncontrolled sexual urges. In short, they are testosterone-poisoned. Matriarchy keeps these perpetual “boys” under female supervision, where they can be guided and kept out of trouble for their entire lives. Under these circumstances this large majority can eventually join the growing minority of males who already accept Female authority as something deeply desirable. Why would boys want to be governed by other immature boys? Essentially that’s why we have now! Once they have a taste of matriarchy, real boys desire to be governed by Women. It’s not a rational judgment, it’s simply a desire. Deep inside boys want to have a full empowered mother giving them benevolent direction. Being deprived of the vote and having government be a Woman’s government makes it a fully legitimate authority in the eyes of these boys.
Third, matriarchy is good for the culture as a whole. It gives power to those with the best judgment and deprives those with the poorest judgment of power. Saturating culture with Female ways of thinking and acting would give boys the best chance to escape their worst tendencies and Women the best and only real chance to realize their full potentials. Matriarchy would not be a perfect way of living, but it would be very much better than what we have now.
L
Men are superior to women in every way you just have to accept your place is beneath men ok girls.
Men should always be in control it is the natural order
Amanda when did you first start believing men are inferior and can you give any other reasons why you believe this.
Why should just anyone vote? I think in a perfect society there should be a test before voting like there is for driving. Consistent with that, only Females should vote, since Females are more mature. The test would be about maturity level and understanding politics.
Linda
I think there is a lot of truth in what L says, especially his second and third points. In the course of the last hundred years or so, the role of women in society has changed completely. It is interesting that there has been relatively little opposition to the change by men. Usually, when a privileged group is threatened with the loss of its privileges, it tries to hold on to them by every means possible. Consider the aristocracy in France before the Revolution or the slave owners in the southern states of the USA before the Civil War.
There has been some opposition on the part of males to the changed role of women, but nothing compared to the bitter struggles of the French aristocrats or the Southern slave owners. Women have not needed to resort to revolution or civil war to achieve their rights.
I think the reason for this is that many boys realize, consciously or unconciously, that patriarchy is not really good for them or for society as a whole. As L says "Saturating culture with Female ways of thinking and acting would give boys the best chance to escape their worst tendencies and Women the best and only real chance to realize their full potentials."
Stewart.
Mistress Linda do you have a blog.
Mistress Linda Do you have a blog
For Ms. Linda : I am owned but certainly not the way you would own me !Am I gorgeous? Hummm never had that thought before but as long as you mean masculine gorgeous maybe I am . Can I cook ? Of course but not before my Mistress has a glass of her favorite wine and is settled in her favorite chair.
John Dalton
Most women I know are less interested in politics and thus not as well informed. As a consequence their voting behavior often seems to be influenced by emotion and less by factual knowledge. Which does not mean that their decision is necessarily wrong. What we Europeans can't understand is how any sensible woman could have voted for such amale chauvinist pig like Mr.Trump who is about to lead the world into WW III. How can any mother fancy the idea of her son dying in a war?
Our experience with women at the top, Prime minister or Chancellor, is such that they tried to behave like men in similar positions - there didn't seem be any particular female aspect in their politics - most probably a pity! Women could perhaps change the world to the better; however it is important that the better person gets the job , not depending on gender - either way
As a European male I personally enjoy working with or under women; I would not have her control my voting rights (and she wouldn't like me doing that!), but I do discuss politics with my wife. Yes, and I get and accept an occasional painful spanking by her for bad behavior - so much for my status.
Most women I know are less interested in politics and thus not as well informed. As a consequence their voting behavior often seems to be influenced by emotion and less by factual knowledge. Which does not mean that their decision is necessarily wrong. What we Europeans can't understand is how any sensible woman could have voted for such amale chauvinist pig like Mr.Trump who is about to lead the world into WW III. How can any mother fancy the idea of her son dying in a war?
Our experience with women at the top, Prime minister or Chancellor, is such that they tried to behave like men in similar positions - there didn't seem be any particular female aspect in their politics - most probably a pity! Women could perhaps change the world to the better; however it is important that the better person gets the job , not depending on gender - either way
As a European male I personally enjoy working with or under women; I would not have her control my voting rights (and she wouldn't like me doing that!), but I do discuss politics with my wife. Yes, and I get and accept an occasional painful spanking by her for bad behavior - so much for my status.
Most women I know are less interested in politics and thus not as well informed. As a consequence their voting behavior often seems to be influenced by emotion and less by factual knowledge. Which does not mean that their decision is necessarily wrong. What we Europeans can't understand is how any sensible woman could have voted for such amale chauvinist pig like Mr.Trump who is about to lead the world into WW III. How can any mother fancy the idea of her son dying in a war?
Our experience with women at the top, Prime minister or Chancellor, is such that they tried to behave like men in similar positions - there didn't seem be any particular female aspect in their politics - most probably a pity! Women could perhaps change the world to the better; however it is important that the better person gets the job , not depending on gender - either way
As a European male I personally enjoy working with or under women; I would not have her control my voting rights (and she wouldn't like me doing that!), but I do discuss politics with my wife. Yes, and I get and accept an occasional painful spanking by her for bad behavior - so much for my status.
A lot of people fought really hard to ensure that universal suffrage was a reality. I'm not sure that removing the right to vote from a section of the population is the way forward, certainly not by Government fiat. It's the start of a slippery slope....
Having said that, we go back to the golden rule of a number of female-led relationships, definitely mine, which is, of course, obedience. I do have a number of opinions on most things and politics is no exception to that. I also like to think of myself as reasonably well-informed about that particular subject. This is beside the point. It so happens that my wife's views on the political issues of the day tend to coincide with mine; when they do not, she will direct me to vote in the direction that she favours. As simple as that - no further discussion and absolutely no back-sliding in the comfort and solitude of the polling booth.
After all, what would be the point of removing a vote from the cause espoused by my superior other half, one which might even carry great importance in a particularly close poll? Far better to have a properly supervised male adding weight to the voice of his mistress than one wasting the opportunity to support and obey her.
Some interesting comments here and some which, quite frankly, are just absurd bordering on pure fantasy with seemgingly little grasp on reality.
One failing of many Femdoms is that, despite all their claims about wanting to be dominant and be the boss in their relationship, that most, when push comes to shove, simply do not do so. They talk the talk but most do not walk the walk.
Deep within most women is a yearning for a man - THEIR man - 'to be a man' and this is equally as true for most women who consider themselves Femdoms as it is for the majority of vanilla women. This is a deep-rooted biological and evolutionary need going back hundreds of thousands and millions of years.
There is much glib talk on here about whether a man should be allowed to vote or not but how many Femdoms actually, truly, fully, completely dominate their submissive husbands or partners fully in all things? I suspect very few.
Do these Femdoms treat their submissive males as akin to domesticated housewives of the 1950's - expecting, demanding, that they act, think and respond so?
Do they train them to do so? Do they talk to them - talk DOWN to them - and treat them so? Are they condescending, patronising to them their submissive husbands in the same way that some men used to be towards their wives in decades long past?
Do such Femdoms think of their slave partners as intellectually their inferiors - slaves who should have no more thoughts in their heads than serving, obeying and looking pretty for their Mistresses? I suspect not.
I suspect most Femdoms only take things so far and then, deep within, their evolutionary biology kicks in and they want their man to be their MAN.
You can't talk about taking away the power of male slaves to vote when most Femdoms haven't even taken away their man's power to think - at least about the important things.
You Dominatrices want a 1950's style 'housewife' slave who is not allowed to vote? So be it, but first get the basic training right. Such a well-trained male slave should be so confused and bimboesque in mindset that 'her' only attitude to voting is that voting is something that betters do.
Any man who lets a woman control them is weak
I think some people are taking this put of context. The question is not if males should be made illegal to vote but if it's correct for them to vote. I think it's better if they don't exercise that right in the NATIONAL level and that in more local levels only the head of each household vote, which is the Female. Why is that so "terrible"?
Linda
Females mature earlier and mature at all, period.
Amanda
I don't have a blog. More Women should though.
Linda
I have thought about this question for years, Kathy. Firstly, I have to disagree with Dan, who obviously was not happy with our most recent election. I commend the Women, who risked a great deal in not voting for the first female candidate for President. In my opinion she would have set back the future Presidential opportunities for Women for decades.
I agree that WOMEN should have the vote, the ONLY vote. However, I feel that men should be allowed, even strongly encouraged, to cast their vote in separate voting booths at all polling locations. The votes of the men can be counted, compared, analyzed and discussed by experts and private female citizens as well as male citizens. Vote by gender, by age, by location, by state, by education level, by ethnic background, by any number of categories to get a real understanding of the similarities and differences in voting preferences. Since, ours will at that time be a country ruled and governed by Women, the better understanding of male voting habits and preferences can then be addressed in meetings throughout the country that will attempt to teach the men the preferences of the Female, why they vote as they do, the benefits therefrom, and for the men to learn to begin adopting the the preferences of the the Women, especially their own Wives, Mothers, Daughters, sisters, etc. I think it will only take a generation, two at the most, to completely have the men in full step with the Woman. There would be no need to continue with the separate voting analyses after perhaps 12 years. There will be exceptions, of course, rebels, non believers, but it will be up to the Women running things to decide how to deal with them, thru more intensive re-education or other solutions.
Radical idea? Perhaps, but I think we would have a more peaceful world, more family oriented, with a revised tax code that will completely change the focus from encouraging virtually legal corruption to fairness, true transparency. term limits, and a moderately priced Nationl health system for all citizens and legal residents.
Amanda. It is a proven fact that men are more intelligent and think more logically than women these are just some of the things that make us superior to women do you understand this?
To Amanda women do not mature earlier than I don’t know where you got that idea from but it’s just not true
Good evening Kathy.
I think the differences of opinion really comes back to how real the FLR dynamic is in your life. I have always made my decision as to who to vote for but if ever became an issue I would have no choice but to vote as I was instructed . I think men entering into this lifestyle need to first understand that real submission is not about his bedroom fantasies but rather about putting the happiness of woman in his life first and honoring her with complete obedience. A man that picks and chooses how and when he submits will quickly find himself back in a vanilla relationship or even worse without the woman he loves. Be real or admit that all you really want is role play. Women choosing to enter a FLR can save herself a lot of wasted energy by establishing complete control from the start. If he is truly committed,surrendering his vote could be mild compared to what your freedom and desires might require. Find his weak spots early on and challenge his commitment. If he insists on control of any part of your life that is the place to start . If he controls the household finances take control ,if he insists that you will always be faithful make sure he understands that only you will make that decision. These are the kind of challenges that will quickly establish if his desires and commitment to submission are real .
Regards, John Dalton
Personally, I think is is an absurd argument to make.
I can't understand why anyone should not be able to vote. That being said, I think frank discussions about the candidates and their policies should be held, especially in an FLR.
In my case, during the 2016 elections my wife and I had not yet entered into our FLR yet but we talked frequently about our beliefs and how each candidate fit into them. We infrequently disagree on topics but the level of importance to each of us varies considerably. In both the primaries and the general election we voted for the same major candidates but for different reasons.
Now that she has taken the lead in our relationship we have talked a little about voting and have yet to create a definitive "policy" on it however the general line of thinking we have is that, if she feels strongly about a candidate then I will double her vote as it were. I will always discuss the pros and cons and, when allowed, my opinion on the topics at hand but will, because I love and trust her, use myself to better her and the world in a way she believes will help.
You see, why discard a vote when the she can have two at her disposal?
I don't think men should be allowed to vote. They are too aggressive and are too ready to take risks. I do not think any men should be allowed to own firearms. I think they should only be allowed to drive specially restricted vehicles. Men should not be allowed to hold any political office and only women can be judges. Would not it then be a better country?
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